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	<title>Comments on: Fard vs. Wajib</title>
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		<title>By: shahzad khan</title>
		<link>http://www.ilmfruits.com/fard-vs-wajib/comment-page-1#comment-95213</link>
		<dc:creator>shahzad khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for good information</description>
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		<title>By: Fard vs. Wajib &#124; IndiaKnows.com</title>
		<link>http://www.ilmfruits.com/fard-vs-wajib/comment-page-1#comment-20980</link>
		<dc:creator>Fard vs. Wajib &#124; IndiaKnows.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new Muslims–break their heads on this conundrum. What is the difference between fard and wajib? Are they the same? Are they different? What’s the scoop? Why do some people say fard, while [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] new Muslims–break their heads on this conundrum. What is the difference between fard and wajib? Are they the same? Are they different? What’s the scoop? Why do some people say fard, while [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nazir Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nazir Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalam aleikom

Actually the article still has a major error in it; the article says:

***while someone else who says “yes, prayer is obligatory but I don’t have to pray” is sinning (major sin).****

Actually, this is kufr by unanimous consensus of the scholars because saying &quot;I don&#039;t have to pray&quot; is the exact same thing as denying the obligation of prayer. If you say that you dont have to pray you are denying the obligation of salaah.

The issue you are actually misunderstanding is what happens when someone abandons salaah out of laziness, NOT denying that they are obligated to pray. For someone who abandons salaah out of laziness though still beleieving they are obligated to pray, the hanaabilah said they are a disbeliever, whereas the ruling of the Shafi&#039;i, Maliki and Hanafi madh-hab is that they are a faasiq (sinner). You can read more about this here:
http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?p=197619#post197619

Also, it is inaccurate to say that the distinction for hanafis between waajib and fard is whether denying it is kufr or not. While this is certainly an effect of their classification, the actually distinguishing point between fard and waajid for the ahnaaf is what evidence establishes it. If the obligation is established by Qat&#039;i evidence it is fard, wheras if it is established by dhanni evidence it is waajib. This can be verified by looking up any basic text on hanafi usool.

I hope that the article is corrected, and I think that we should remind ourselves that we are not scholars and if we are in a position where we are spreading knowledge of the deen, we need to continually defer back to real scholars to ensure we are not saying something that is incorrect. One way to do this is to provide a source for where you got the info for such articles, whether a book, a lecture, etc.

May Allah reward you for your good work

Wa aleikom salaam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalam aleikom</p>
<p>Actually the article still has a major error in it; the article says:</p>
<p>***while someone else who says “yes, prayer is obligatory but I don’t have to pray” is sinning (major sin).****</p>
<p>Actually, this is kufr by unanimous consensus of the scholars because saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t have to pray&#8221; is the exact same thing as denying the obligation of prayer. If you say that you dont have to pray you are denying the obligation of salaah.</p>
<p>The issue you are actually misunderstanding is what happens when someone abandons salaah out of laziness, NOT denying that they are obligated to pray. For someone who abandons salaah out of laziness though still beleieving they are obligated to pray, the hanaabilah said they are a disbeliever, whereas the ruling of the Shafi&#8217;i, Maliki and Hanafi madh-hab is that they are a faasiq (sinner). You can read more about this here:<br />
<a href="http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?p=197619#post197619" rel="nofollow">http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?p=197619#post197619</a></p>
<p>Also, it is inaccurate to say that the distinction for hanafis between waajib and fard is whether denying it is kufr or not. While this is certainly an effect of their classification, the actually distinguishing point between fard and waajid for the ahnaaf is what evidence establishes it. If the obligation is established by Qat&#8217;i evidence it is fard, wheras if it is established by dhanni evidence it is waajib. This can be verified by looking up any basic text on hanafi usool.</p>
<p>I hope that the article is corrected, and I think that we should remind ourselves that we are not scholars and if we are in a position where we are spreading knowledge of the deen, we need to continually defer back to real scholars to ensure we are not saying something that is incorrect. One way to do this is to provide a source for where you got the info for such articles, whether a book, a lecture, etc.</p>
<p>May Allah reward you for your good work</p>
<p>Wa aleikom salaam</p>
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		<title>By: Ilm Seeker</title>
		<link>http://www.ilmfruits.com/fard-vs-wajib/comment-page-1#comment-15912</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilm Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subhanallah, it was the khawarij--one of the extreme earliest sects that fell out of Islam--who believed that sinning makes you a kafir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subhanallah, it was the khawarij&#8211;one of the extreme earliest sects that fell out of Islam&#8211;who believed that sinning makes you a kafir.</p>
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		<title>By: mummyjaan</title>
		<link>http://www.ilmfruits.com/fard-vs-wajib/comment-page-1#comment-15911</link>
		<dc:creator>mummyjaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilm Seeker</title>
		<link>http://www.ilmfruits.com/fard-vs-wajib/comment-page-1#comment-15908</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilm Seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sincerest apologies, I made a great mistake here, and now it has been corrected; may Allah cover our faults (ameen).

It is not NEGLECTING to perform a fard that makes one kafir, but it is DENYING the fard--saying that it is not fard.  And Allah knows best.  I have updated the post to include the correct information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sincerest apologies, I made a great mistake here, and now it has been corrected; may Allah cover our faults (ameen).</p>
<p>It is not NEGLECTING to perform a fard that makes one kafir, but it is DENYING the fard&#8211;saying that it is not fard.  And Allah knows best.  I have updated the post to include the correct information.</p>
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		<title>By: mummyjaan</title>
		<link>http://www.ilmfruits.com/fard-vs-wajib/comment-page-1#comment-15906</link>
		<dc:creator>mummyjaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for clarifying. I have asked many people this and nobody had the answer. 

Going on to the kaafir bit, if I miss my prayer, and if makes me a kaafir, what is the point about qadha prayer then? Do I re-affirm my faith or take shahadah again before saying the next prayer or what? Could you please answer.

I have recently come across your website and love it.  There are so many useful things to learn here. Jazakallah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for clarifying. I have asked many people this and nobody had the answer. </p>
<p>Going on to the kaafir bit, if I miss my prayer, and if makes me a kaafir, what is the point about qadha prayer then? Do I re-affirm my faith or take shahadah again before saying the next prayer or what? Could you please answer.</p>
<p>I have recently come across your website and love it.  There are so many useful things to learn here. Jazakallah.</p>
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		<title>By: Maaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asak.....masha allah nice article....here you say that the hanafi madhab says that neglecting fardh makes one a kaafir...so if i neglect salaat or sawm (roza) etc...do I become a kaafir???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asak&#8230;..masha allah nice article&#8230;.here you say that the hanafi madhab says that neglecting fardh makes one a kaafir&#8230;so if i neglect salaat or sawm (roza) etc&#8230;do I become a kaafir???</p>
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