Comments on: The Pen is Lifted From Three http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three The Sweetness of Faith Lies in the Fruits of Knowledge Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:09:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: In Islam are the mentally disabled punished for their sins ? http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/comment-page-1#comment-95677 In Islam are the mentally disabled punished for their sins ? Thu, 03 Nov 2011 22:45:03 +0000 http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/#comment-95677 [...] who is asleep until he wakes up.” [Recorded in Abu Dawud #4403, and Ibn Majah #2041] http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppressFrederick [...] [...] who is asleep until he wakes up.” [Recorded in Abu Dawud #4403, and Ibn Majah #2041] http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppressFrederick [...]

]]> By: Ilm Seeker http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/comment-page-1#comment-95214 Ilm Seeker Thu, 07 Jul 2011 15:06:29 +0000 http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/#comment-95214 @Anon, according to <a href="http://www.quraan.com/index.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=11&bid=13&cid=9" rel="nofollow">this site</a>, it's collected in As-Sunan, the major six books of hadith, which include the collections of Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah; it's also recorded in An-Nawawi's famous 40 ahadith. So it's definitely hassan, if not saheeh (and both must be believed in and acted upon). Wallahu a'lam. @Anon, according to this site, it’s collected in As-Sunan, the major six books of hadith, which include the collections of Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah; it’s also recorded in An-Nawawi’s famous 40 ahadith.

So it’s definitely hassan, if not saheeh (and both must be believed in and acted upon).

Wallahu a’lam.

]]> By: Anon http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/comment-page-1#comment-95212 Anon Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:35:54 +0000 http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/#comment-95212 As-salam wa alaykum. I know various scholars have accepted the text of the hadith, but can I have the authenticity of it's chain according to muhadditheen? As-salam wa alaykum.

I know various scholars have accepted the text of the hadith, but can I have the authenticity of it’s chain according to muhadditheen?

]]> By: Abu AbdAllah http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/comment-page-1#comment-13334 Abu AbdAllah Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:59:37 +0000 http://www.ilmfruits.com/the-pen-is-lifted-from-three/#comment-13334 bismillah. as salamu alaykum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatuhu. children imitate those around them. so, if a child does not pray, or rebels against any other fard, his parent should first spend at least some time looking in the mirror. should think about how much time he spends with his child, and what they do together. because the hadith offers no immunity to the parent. but when the parent has decided to raise that child among kuffar in America (classmates, neighbors, TV, etc.), then even if that parent is very good in observing the fard, that parent has surrounded his child with bad examples. examples that not do not follow the fard, but which encourage the haram (dating, drugs, eating pork, drinking alcohol, etc). such parents should be strict, and especially so with children who show any tendency to shirk what will be fard upon them after puberty. children should be praying all five salat by the time they are 7. they should be physically disciplined if they fail to do so by age 10. and i did not make up that advice. should the parent strike the child in anger? no, the Prophet, sull Allaho alayhi wa sallam, never encouraged anger. he encouraged love for children, and he encouraged discipline. the hadith you have quoted does defend children. but it does not encourage lax parenting. bismillah. as salamu alaykum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatuhu.

children imitate those around them. so, if a child does not pray, or rebels against any other fard, his parent should first spend at least some time looking in the mirror. should think about how much time he spends with his child, and what they do together.

because the hadith offers no immunity to the parent.

but when the parent has decided to raise that child among kuffar in America (classmates, neighbors, TV, etc.), then even if that parent is very good in observing the fard, that parent has surrounded his child with bad examples.

examples that not do not follow the fard, but which encourage the haram (dating, drugs, eating pork, drinking alcohol, etc).

such parents should be strict, and especially so with children who show any tendency to shirk what will be fard upon them after puberty.

children should be praying all five salat by the time they are 7. they should be physically disciplined if they fail to do so by age 10. and i did not make up that advice.

should the parent strike the child in anger? no, the Prophet, sull Allaho alayhi wa sallam, never encouraged anger.

he encouraged love for children, and he encouraged discipline. the hadith you have quoted does defend children. but it does not encourage lax parenting.

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